Saturday, July 09, 2005

Differences of opinion

There has been quite alot of discussion on the web amongst Muslims about the correct response to these attacks and i do believe that there is a legitimate difference of opinion amongst brothers. There is the "sorry-brigade" (no disrespect intended), and others who believe that we need to voice the fact that these attacks aren't coming out of nowhere: that there are underlying issues that need to be addressed.

I just pray that the UK Muslim Orgs don't become like some of the Uncle Tom type of orgs in the US.

Anyhow, a hadith in Sahih Muslim describes 5 qualities of ar-Room (the Europeans & those of European descent):
  • They have the patience to undergo a trial and
  • immediately restore themselves to sanity after trouble and
  • attack again after flight.
  • They (have the quality) of being good to the destitute and the orphans, to the weak and,
  • fifthly, the good quality in them is that they put resistance against the oppression of kings."
The way the British services responded to the attacks was nothing short of remarkable and you have to give credit for the level of organisation in place to deal with such scenarios.

In other news, I bought Imam Anwar's set on the Makkan seerah today. I've heard it before and its great - i definitely recommend it. I've heard from a friend that the Madinan Seerah should be available around Ramadan time, insha'Allah.

10 comments:

hibbalicious said...

imam Anwar is my all time favourite speaker, he really captures your imagination, you know the suppliers ahve been saying for like a year that the madina series is coming lol

I have all of Anwar Awlaki sets - i hope that he writes a book or soemthing lol

Anonymous said...

Subhanallah, I have been so impressed by the manner in which the British people and security services responded. There has always been a tendency to cast the British and Americans as peas in the same cultural pod, but recent events have demonstrated that, regardless of the symbiotic relationship between Bush and Blair, the British people are really quite different. There is a level-headedness and sense of proportion about the people I have seen speak (such as the head of Metropolitan Police). It's a pity I can't say the same for some of your Muslim spokespeople -- some of whom I saw recently on television going to the point of declaring anyone who commits an act of terrorism to have left the fold of Islam. I'm sure such sentiments are popular with the mums and dads at home, though.

The other point that sprang to mind recently, which will I am sure be made some time in the near future, is that Britain has finally, to put it rather indelicately, been made to eat its own cooking. By that, I mean for a long time there have been bona fide extremists in London who have projected their extremism into Muslim societies with the tacit (or perhaps overt) support of the British government. I am sure I do not need to give examples, but it has always struck me as odd that there is a man in London running a satellite station that operates with the apparent objective of provoking civil war in Saudi Arabia. This is to say nothing, of course, about the role that some British figures have played in providing the ideological justification for some of the atrocities that visited Algeria. It would be a remarkable irony if, as seems possible, the people who carried out these attacks were influenced by the same sort of poison that these figures have been spraying across the Muslim world for, in some cases, over a decade.

Kashif said...

Of course we're different to the Americans!!! How dare you suggest otherwise ;)

Yes, alhumdulillah, appeals for calm and avoiding prejudice were forthcoming from all quarters - almost immediately - from the Royal family, to politicians, to police leaders and religious figures.

The British establishment works in a completely different way to that of the Americans. Take Iraq for example. The (relative) stability in the British-patrolled towns is completely different to the chaos in the areas overseen by the Americans.

It reflects a different culture of what it means to work with other people.

Could this be a lesson learnt over the long years of Empire?

There is a well-known Muslim personality in the UK who leads a group of - i think, idiot youth - who was taped saying that there is no contract between Muslim residents of Britain and the state, and that they were free to attack British interests - and this is not the first time he has said something like this. But the government won't touch him. He seems to be the first guy that the papers go to for an interview after a major incident.

Anonymous said...

LOL. I don't know which faction of the Idiot Youth are refering to, as there are several, but three of my favourite quotes from the al-Muhajiroun faction of Osama Bin Laden's Army of Useful Idiots are:

"I would like to see the Mujahideen coming into London and killing thousands, whether with nuclear weapons or germ warfare. And if they need a safehouse, they can stay in mine - and if they need some fertiliser [for a bomb], I'll tell them where to get it."

and

"As far as I'm concerned, when they bomb London, the bigger the better. I know it's going to happen because Sheikh bin Laden said so. Like Bali, like Turkey, like Madrid - I pray for it, I look forward to the day."

and

"When I watched those planes go into the Twin Towers, I felt elated. That magnificent action split the world into two camps: you were either with Islam and al Qaeda, or with the enemy. I decided to quit my job and commit myself full-time to al-Muhajiroun."

All of these were said on 7th July, 2005.

Kashif said...

Well, there you go. Thats what we have to put up with.

Whats funny is that the guy who was on the Panorama programme the other day shouting for jihad - i saw him in our local masjid yesterday! And another time, there was outrage across the country when a photo of one of these brothers appeared on the front page of a tabloid newspaper burning the Unioin Jack (British flag). That night, i saw him at our local supermarket. :)

Whats odd is that you will only ever hear faint mutterings to have their group banned. I can understand why. They serve a purpose: all you need to do is to broadcast one of their tapes and it'll whip up anti-Muslim sentiment amongst the British public.

Anonymous said...

I don't know how they would necessarily 'ban' a group (unless they designated them a terrorist organisation), but the government should put a bit more pressure on people who align themselves with the group. I think, after the dust settles, ordinary British people will be asking their government why on earth they didn't act against these guys. Even if they serve a purpose to the government (another use for these groups is as 'fly paper' so they can observe all the idiots on one spot), I think the public will demand that something be done because even if it isn't proven that they carried out the bombings, allowing 'sheikhs' to make the sort of statements and exhortations that these guys have done is not exactly helpful to maintaining law and order.

If you remember the Algerian guys who got arrested in North London (the ones who were planning the Ricin attack), the 'brains' of that group had an IQ of 70. Likewise, Richard Reid and Zacharias Moussaoui were hardly brilliant intellects (if you listen to their courtroom speeches they sound like characters from the 'Life of Brian'). The danger is that whereas most people might not take it too seriously when the 'sheikh' says such and such, but there are plenty of Muslims out there whom Allah has denied an intellect, who might decide that whereas everyone else can 'talk the talk', they want to 'walk the walk'.

Anyway, may Allah protect all of us and all of our communities from those who would cause us harm within and without. Ameen.

Kashif said...

Ameen to your du'a.

I heard a little while ago that OBM had disbanded al-Muhajiroun? but they still seem to be around.

What i feel sad about is the wasted years for these youth caught up with him. I saw brother after brother spend years with HT (when OBM was heading it) only to leave 4, 5 years later having accomplished... well whatever they've accomplished.

I'm sure it'll happen with these guys too.

Anonymous said...

When it comes to OBM, the silence is deafening. His website is taken down and his spokes-idiots are nowhere to be heard. Could this be, as in Sherlock Holmes, a case of the dog that didn't bark? :) Time will, of course, tell.

Anonymous said...

http://www.sarcastica.org/2005/07/17/omar-bakri-the-media-and-me/

Kashif said...

I don't agree with much of what OBM says, but that satirical piece is a bit out of order :)